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Do you listen to yourself? Yes, such ideals I suppose are all very pretty on paper. But consider that we live in the real world. All right, I shall give up my suits-- fine.

What next, though? When I am branded as an anti-government traitor? As I no doubt will be. It is not as if we can afford to have a rogue magician, after all. One rebellious magician is perceived as a much higher threat than one rebellious commoner. So how can I do anyone much good if I am on the run, constantly having to dodge the fifty-two demons chasing me, each belonging to a master more hungry than the next to be the one who gets to claim the fame of capturing me? I might be the youngest and most talented magician Britain has seen in several decades but even I cannot stand up against the whole cabinet.

And even then, where do you suppose that I go? Magicians aren't exactly known for acting out of their own best interests, as I'm sure you're well aware. No magician would risk hiding me-- nor would any commoner. On the street, on the run, I would be so busy trying to keep myself alive that I would be more than useless to your movement.

As to the war-- as I told you, I have been trying to work on a solution that will satisfy both parties. They will come around. I just need more time.

[ He argues well. She has to give him that. The last time she saw him, he was nothing more than arrogant bluster with a stupid haircut, and he didn't exactly show off his intellect. But whether he's gotten smarter, or whether he just hid his smarts back then, he's definitely coming across more than just bluster now. She crosses her arms, and gives a little half-smile in spite of herself - something eager, something challenging.

And her challenge now: ]

And what is your solution?

[A few years in parliament have honed his debating skills well, though he mostly tries to stay out of frays and remain a neutral party as much as possible.]

... The staff you helped me retrieve. Gladstone's Staff. It currently sits, if you can believe it, deep in a vault where no man, woman or demon can touch it.

[You can hear the disbelief and derision dripping from his voice. Those old fools.]

They know they could end the war with it. But the Prime Minister is too cowardly. Too afraid that he won't have the power necessary to wield it-- that he'll be replaced by whomsoever does. He can't see past his own desire for power enough to even do one thing that would end the war on his terms.

[ Helped me retrieve, he says. That's one way to put it. ]

Let me guess, though. You can wield it.

... I might be able to-- I also might not be able to. [There's no point in lying to her there-- she was there, she saw the last time he tried to wield the staff and failed miserably. It was embarrassing all around. But he was fourteen then, not yet at the height of his power...]

Whatever the case, we will not know unless we try.

And then what?

[ She unfolds her arms to lean forward. ]

You crush the American resistance? Fine. That ends the war - in a bloody way, but it ends the war. That still won't solve any of our real problems.

With the troops home from the war and a victory behind us, dissent on the European front will lessen and local morale will slowly rise. However, you are right that it will not truly change anything, no. It is only a temporary stop-gap, a calming of the waves until the next big storm.

Our system is well and truly broken. I've realised that, since coming here. But I do not know how to fix it. This place is not like our home-- they have never once heard of magicians. And therein lies the key problem. Knowledge, once learned, cannot be unlearned. No matter what we do, we cannot simply remove magicians from existence. They will always exist in our universe.

[Again, words he said to Edgeworth.]

You assumed when I said that this place was terrible, that I meant it as a general statement. However, I did not. It is better, in many ways, I think. It is only for someone like me that it is not better for. I am self aware enough to recognise that much.

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[ She watches him. He has gotten cleverer, and more eloquent, but it's more than just that. All of this - It's nothing she'd ever thought she'd hear from someone like John Mandrake, Information Minister. Simply acknowledging that the system, his system, the system that gives him such power, is broken - She leans back, and she watches him, her expression half surprised and half appraising.

When he finishes speaking, she's quiet a moment, and then she nods. Her voice is a little softer. ]

You're right.

[ Right about all of it. Another moment. ]

But it's not the knowledge that's the problem, Mr. Mandrake. It's the way it's used. We haven't got to unlearn it; we've got to relearn it, so that it's not about - slavery, and power, but about understanding. And communication.

... Have you ever met a demon, Ms. Jones? No, scratch that, I know that you have. How do you suppose that magicians are to summon demons into this world without the chains that bind them? For that is what you are suggesting, is it not? That we just let them loose willy-nilly upon our world to wreak whatsoever havoc they please. We would all be dead within a week.

Why do we need to do that? Why do we need to summon them at all?

[ She crosses her arms again, disapprovingly. ]

They hate it, you know. It hurts them, and they hate being slaves. Which is maybe some part of why they would wreak havoc. Maybe they'd be more peaceful if we didn't hurt them first.

Why-- why summon them at all? Let me follow this train of thought along down to its' logical conclusion, shall I? Say we put a stop to summoning. Outlaw it completely.

But, as already established, we cannot erase the knowledge of magic. There will always be someone-- or several someones-- willing to summon a demon. And once they do, they have the power. Power over anyone and everyone who hasn't got a demon. As I'm sure you yourself know: making something illegal does not stop people from doing it. Determined people will still find a way.

Then of course, you have an even bigger problem on your hands-- magician outlaws. If the very act of summoning a demon is prohibited, then what is to stop these magicians from committing any crime they like, once they've summoned? They are already wanted men, after all. And the "good guys" in this scenario aren't allowed to break the law, so of course they have no demons, and as such they are already at a disadvantage against the outlaws. They shall lose. The selfish criminals shall wrest power for themselves. And then we end up back at square one: the exact same situation we find ourselves in today.

I cannot even begin to address all the faults in your latter argument. Demons are not peaceful. That is why they are called such. They will not hesitate to hurt you at any opportunity. I'm sorry to shatter your beautiful illusions, but a "peaceful demon" does not exist.

[ She chews at her lip, just a bit, because...He really isn't wrong. A dream of everyone just leaving them alone, a dream of everyone giving up that power, is just a dream. Even if they broke this cycle of...violence, hatred, ambition, everything, the fact was that there would still be strong people who would want to take advantage over the weak.

As for the matter of whether or not demons are peaceful...Arguing that point would be facetious. Because the demons' hatred is justified, caused by their slavery, but magicians simply stopping their bad behaviour won't make that better. They've got too much hatred.

So. ]

So we come up with another way. We summon the people here back to our home.

[His usually impassive face is so incredulous it's almost comical.]

I-- what?

[Not his most articulate statement.]

All right. Putting aside all the reasons why we couldn't do that and supposing, just for supposition's sake, that we could: please explain to me your logic, for I certainly do not follow it. How would this help in any way?

[ So glad you asked. ]

We need to break this cycle. Of enslavement, and of hatred - Their power, the power of the people here, isn't based on any of that. And neither is yours, now that you're here - I'm right about that, aren't I? [ She doesn't wait for confirmation. ] So we bring them back with us. We convince them to help us put an end to the British government and build something new in its place. Something that's not got this stain of magic back home.

[ Which absolutely helps and would be a solution to their problems. 100%. ]

Those are a lot of "somethings" and "supposes." Suppose we can take people home with us-- and we don't know if we can. Second, we have no guarantee that even if we can, that it won't be a one-way trip. Once there, these people might be stuck in our world. Then our new government would be suffering from the same problem that this one is: what to do with powerful, trans-dimensional immigrants.

However, assuming that those two problems are solved, what is this "something" new you are planning to build? It is all very well to say that, but "something" is not a thing that inspires people. Nobody will be interested if you cannot give them some concrete plan to fight for, or to reassure them that their efforts won't be in vain. I know a little about recruiting people for wars that really have nothing to do with them, after all.

And, that said, I myself am curious as to what kind of regime it is you intend to build with our gracious imPort helpers. Once they are gone, does the system fall apart? Or are you intending to keep them in our world forever, making a new life for themselves? That seems like a pertinent detail to your recruitment campaign, unless you intend to lie.

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[ She shoots him a look of annoyance. ]

Of course I'm not going to lie. There are some who despise their homes, or who have been killed there before coming here. They can stay and make a home for themselves. The rest can go to their homes.

Anyway, all of that is less important - what matters most is simply getting rid of the old and removing the corrupt from power, and then we make a system that includes everyone's voices. Commoner and magician.

[He absorbs this for a moment, mulling it over. He doesn't agree-- all details are important. There is no such thing as an unimportant detail, to a magician. This haphazard way of going about planning things is mad. He doesn't know what she can hope to achieve. He sits there in silence for a moment, taking the ice off his nose but still looking somewhat unhappy and stubborn.]

... If I had the staff, we wouldn't need any... imPort interlopers to fight our battles for us.

[ She shakes her head, immediately cutting to the quick of that plan. ]

If you had the staff, and if you used it, it would be just a member of government making an attempt against Deveraux. Even if you were better than he is, it'd still just be more of the same.

... Not necessarily. ... I could create a new government. Like you said-- one where there are an equal number of magicians and commoners in parliament. We could model it off the system they have here-- a voting... kind of thing. Where ministers have to be appointed by the people they represent. Of course, I would have to step down as Prime Minister after its' establishment to let a fair election run its' course...

[ Her arms are crossed again. One eyebrow is raised high. ]

Yeah, and how likely is that to happen?

[He seems to genuinely think about that for a moment, before looking up at her with a small smile that could almost be described as cheeky.]

... Do you know, I don't actually want to rule the country. Shocking, I know. I only realised it myself just now. You mustn't tell anybody, it'll bring shame upon my family.

[A joke. A particularly Bartimaeus-like joke, he thinks to himself wryly. Oh no. It's come to this. He's thinking fondly of Bartimaeus. How terrible.]

I only want to be the youngest recorded magician in history to become Prime Minister. After that, I'm quite happy to hand it off to someone else. My current job is already stressful enough.

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[ She stares at him, perfectly astonished. That is just the most - ridiculous thing she's ever heard - She laughs, and for once it's not a laugh of derision or scorn, not something passionate to demonstrate her dismissal of an argument, but rather it's genuine. She's just taken aback by him looking up at her with that idiotic pride in that idiotic idea that she can't help but laugh. ]

That's so stupid.

[ And, she's ashamed to admit, that's not declaimed passionately, but instead with actual amusement. She knows that it's an awful sentiment he just expressed - because it's a minister admitting he's just doing things for his name and his pride and legacy - but there's something that almost borders on charming about the way he's smiling with pride over something so silly.

Get serious, Kitty. ]

It's still not going to work. Not really. Even if you're not lying, and even if you hold to that. You've got to understand, our organizations won't trust anyone from your government. You come into power, and they'll just assume that any offers to work with them will just be a ploy to draw out their leaders so that you can burn out the rebellion the moment you take office. There can't be any trust between us.

[ Echoing Bartimaeus isn't intentional, but...It's appropriate, she thinks. ]

Well. It has some flaws as a plan, I admit, but... the other solution that you're proposing is to take home extra-dimensional travelers and quite literally stage a civil war against magicians. That's what an uprising is, you realise. People will die. Some of them might even be the ones you recruit.

Are you all right with that on your conscience?

[ That kills any possibility of lingering amusement - and stirs a little bit of anger. ]

Don't think I don't know exactly what I'm doing, Mr. Mandrake. Remember, I've been at this for years. I decided long ago that I would do what was necessary to overthrow tyrants - and do not think that I'm so stupid or naive not to realize that that might entail a loss of life. Mine, or others'.

[ She thinks about the Resistance. She thinks about her comrades, three years dead. She watched them die. As if she doesn't know the consequences. ]

... Very well. ... It was worth the asking, all the same.

Never the less, I will work at a different solution until such a time as we are called back.

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